What Realtors & Lender actually get paid for! Guests Chantry Abbott and Michelle Evans (St. George Real Estate Radio Show)
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Jeremy Larkin and The Larkin Group @ Keller Williams Realty can be reached by calling 435-767-9821, or emailing email@example.com.
Andy: News radio 94.9, 890 KDXU. Good morning to you. Tell me this guy has the coolest music in the biz right here. It is Jeremy Larkin. I did not even want to turn it down. You have got Jeremy Larkin, St. George Real Estate travel show, and I know Jeremy is trying to get all is tech set up and everything over there. Are you ready, Jeremy?
Jeremy: I loved how you stuttered there. You had a hard time.
Andy: Well, it has been a weird kind of –
Jeremy: I do not know what else to say about it, Andy. Let’s just name the elephant in the room. Right?
Andy: It has been a weird kind of day. You look outside and our red rocks are covered in white snow. I know you had issues this morning with the two-hour delayed start for school.
Jeremy: Yeah, this threw the kids’ schedule off a little bit this morning. No one in this room has a child going to school except for me.
Michelle: That is true.
Jeremy: And there are a whole bunch of us in this room. There are five people in this room. You know what is amazing?
Andy: I have two by the way.
Jeremy: Oh you do have two high schoolers?
Jeremy: Okay. So you do.
Jeremy: That is nice. That is good. So for them, it is cool. They are like I have got to sleep in and I will just drive to school. I have two boys that are going to school at odd hours. So normally the one is going either at 6:55 at the bus stop or he is being delivered at 7:30, and then the other goes at 8:15. So with the radio show and then a meeting at 9:30, I am finagling this kind of thing. It is being finagled as they say.
Andy: That is a good work.
Jeremy: Really, it is. It is being finagled. Today, Andy? Whoops, I dropped my microphone. I am going to invite you to lend that microphone to these guys today because we are going to have three of us on the show today.
Andy: Okay. Okay.
Jeremy: I have got some incredible guests in the studio. Andy Griffin is almost a guest because he is brand new. I have got Chantry Abbot with Guild Mortgage, on the air with us. One of our great friends, incredible home mortgage lender. And I have got, well, why don’t you introduce yourself, Michelle.
Michelle: Hey, Michelle Evans with the Larkin Group. Glad to be here.
Jeremy: I like it.
Michelle: Glad to get here safe and sound in all the slush.
Jeremy: It is kind of slushy out there. It was 33, I think, all night long.
Michelle: Oh perfect. One degree.
Jeremy: And I think that is why school did not get cancelled. So the kids can blame one degree. Because I think at 32 degrees, you would have had some really extra nasty roads and it would have been different. Right?
Michelle: Yeah, I was surprised that they were all right. They are slushy, but it is doable.
Jeremy: Chant, what do you got over there?
Chantry: See this kid is making a snowman. Kind of cool, right?
Jeremy: Isn’t this amazing?
Chantry: Bluff Street Park.
Jeremy: Yeah, it is absolutely incredible. We are at the Cherry Creek Studios on North Bluff Street, which is on the west side of Bluff, up on a hill. And those of us watching our live feed, we are on Facebook dot com slash Jeremy Larkin. Or we are on YouTube Live which is YouTube dot com slash Go St. George TV. But from here we see everything. Like we see everything.
Michelle: It is a great view.
Jeremy: It is incredible. It is amazing. So we are looking out at Bluff Street Park, and the famed snowstorm of 2013, we could not get up this hill, and last night they were forecasting five inches. I would be shocked if we even got two inches. I do not know.
Jeremy: Chantry, what did you get at your house? Maybe an inch?
Chantry: Yeah. But I think there was more in like Santa Clara. I saw some folks this morning that got quite a bit.
Jeremy: Where it is higher.
Chantry: It was pretty hard.
Jeremy: Yeah. I went up to the Ledges last night at 8:30, eight o’clock, maybe to take my kids to a little get together and it was like a full-scale, winter, just a blizzard on the way up to the Ledges. It was incredible. And there was this fog later between here and the Ledges.
Jeremy: So then you were going up and then it was snowing and you could not see, and it was wacky. So anyway, gang, look, clearly everyone knows it is snowing outside, and all of our friends on Facebook are going to make sure that we know that. Are they not? Everyone is going to do that today. So we are going to have a fun discussion. I do not know what Jesse has got going on. He is over there. What do you have going on over there? What is that? My phone died? I do not know, man. Who knows? So we are running Facebook Live. We are going to talk today about what realtors and lenders actually get paid for. Is that fair?
Michelle: That sounds good.
Jeremy: So Chantry has been with us for a really long time. How many years? A decade?
Chantry: I remember working with you back when you were starting to take over all the foreclosures. So that was probably –
Chantry: So let’s say 2010, 2009 or 10.
Chantry: I am tangled with my coat here.
Jeremy: So there you go. I do not know about this phone. So it is funny, guys. We are running a Facebook Live, and for whatever reason, it just died on us. I hope we are still live, but I think we are still going to, we are good to go. We are good to go. So 2009, 2010, you came into our world. Right? And since that time, have you ever been paid a salary to close mortgages?
Chantry: I have not.
Jeremy: Right. Michelle, how long have you been in the real estate business?
Michelle: Going on ten years.
Jeremy: Ten years. Have you ever been paid a salary to sell real estate?
Jeremy: No, so we only get paid, right, gang, when the deal closes. That is the only way to describe it.
Jeremy: Right. And so Michelle and I were in this discussion I think yesterday talking about this dynamic that folks perceive, so this is the perception. So the perception is like Michelle goes out and shows homes and that is where she is doing the work. So the real work she is doing is showing people homes. Like find me a home. Correct?
Michelle: Right. It is all in the finding.
Jeremy: Yeah, it is in the finding. And the perception of course, is that that is where it is. That is where the pay –
Michelle: The value (indiscernible) –
Jeremy: Where the value is.
Michelle: Yes, to open the door.
Jeremy: It is to open the door, and at the end of the day, let’s all be frank with ourselves. What hourly rate could we pay someone to open doors? Could we pay someone minimum wage?
Michelle: We sure could.
Jeremy: Yeah, what is minimum wage anymore?
Chantry: Seven-fifty or something. Right?
Jeremy: Yeah, $7.50 a hour. We could theoretically pay someone $7.50 to open doors. And the issue is that for us in the real estate business, the real work, the real work especially if you are buying a home, right, begins when Michelle?
Michelle: When it goes under contract.
Jeremy: Right. So, what do you mean by under contract?
Michelle: Well, and putting it under contract, too. So it is the negotiation of getting it under contract, and particularly in the last few years where it has been a seller’s market, so you have really got to know your stuff to be able to win that contract for your buyer.
Jeremy: Yeah, absolutely. Right? So the work for the real estate agent happens we, like when it goes under contract, and of course, what Michelle is saying is when we get into the negotiation for the contract. Right?
Jeremy: That is the issue. That is the issue.
Jeremy: You told me a cool story, and Chant, I am going to have you chime in here momentarily. You bought a home here how long ago?
Michelle: Yeah, back in ’05.
Jeremy: Okay, and you were not even an agent at the time.
Jeremy: Of course.
Michelle: I was teaching out at Tuacahn High School and I used Will Potter, who is now our competitor.
Michelle: He was great. He did a great job.
Jeremy: Great guy in town.
Michelle: We had three days to find a home. He blocked that out for us. We looked at 32 homes. I just want to say, so sorry, Will. I am just going to apologize publicly for doing that to you.
Jeremy: 32 homes. That is ten a day. That is a lot of homes.
Michelle: Oh my gosh, we ran the guy ragged. And ironically, we went back and bought the very first home that we saw. Anyway, and then I was teaching out at Tuacahn High School and he called me and he said when is your lunch hour? I said well it is from 12-1 or whatever it was, and he said I need to come out and have you sign this addendum. I said well you do not have to do it then. You can do it later or whatever. I had no perception that we have legal confines, legal deadlines that, he said, no, I need to have you sign this by five o’clock. I was like wow. Okay.
Jeremy: Hey, come on, you do not have to do that. It is fine.
Michelle: Like it is okay. I was trying to be so nice to the guy. Clueless. And what is funny is that I had bought four homes prior to that. So I think a lot of times agents think oh well, they have been around the block. They have bought a home or two before. And granted, I was probably not as smart as most about it. But you just do not realize what is the process once it is under contract? And I think that is probably some of the pushback of millennials. Well, I can find a house online.
Michelle: And we are like right. That is just getting us into the game.
Chantry: And you probably will find it online right?
Chantry: No matter how many –
Jeremy: 95% likelihood, guys.
Chantry: And no matter how much somebody tells you what they want –
Jeremy: 95% likelihood.
Chantry: They know what they want. Right?
Chantry: They cannot really relay it. So look online. That is just the beginning. That is the easy part.
Michelle: Yeah, yeah. That is the fun part.
Chantry: Jeremy, when did you get in the business?
Chantry: That was probably right after they had the books. Do you remember the books?
Jeremy: The books were obviously previous to my time.
Chantry: Not by far though, right?
Jeremy: I do not think by far.
Chantry: Probably late 90s, early 2000s.
Jeremy: What was the MLS called at that time? The Multiple Listing Service. It was called –
Chantry: I do not know.
Jeremy: Oh, what was it? It was this weird –
Michelle: I do not know.
Chantry: So those you that do not know, was it once a month, once a month the Board of Realtors would print out a book with a page for every single listing that was out there. So if there were 500 listings, there were would be 500 pages that would have property for sale.
Chantry: There was not an internet so the buyers could not go find the homes. So they really did need to sit down with an agent and flip through this book and try to figure it all this out and which ones were sold and which ones were not.
Chantry: Now with the internet you find a house on the internet.
Chantry: So anyone can do that.
Michelle: And the contract was so much less back then. So it really was, their perception was correct.
Jeremy: Yeah, we have added five more pages of contract paperwork.
Michelle: It really was finding the house. The weight was more on that.
Michelle: And much less with the contract. Now it has flipped. Now it is reversed.
Jeremy: Well, and let’s understand how buyers, let’s hit that door. These guys are exceptionally loud down the hall, aren’t they? Let’s remember how a buyer finds a home. Right? And so this is really good. If you are a home seller, I hope you will really listen really closely to this today. So what will happen is someone will put their home on the market, and they will be like if I can just broadcast this enough times, if I can just be in everybody’s face long enough, we will find a buyer. Right? But how do buyers, in fact, find the home they want to buy?
Michelle: Almost always online.
Jeremy: But how? When I say how, how does a buyer find a home? Do they go hey, a realtor called me and said they have the home for me?
Michelle: Oh, no never. They are out on the home websites. They are out looking. They are searching themselves. They can do it online.
Chantry: So wouldn’t you say really the only accurate, there are others. Yeah, we talk about Zillow and stuff, but only one that is truly live, real-time accurate is probably the Multiple Listing Service that you have to get by –
Michelle: Primary source. That feeds all those websites.
Chantry: — through a real estate agent.
Jeremy: Yeah, so let’s think about this. Chantry, let’s say that you want to buy a home today. What kind of home would you want to buy? Let’s just have some fun here.
Chantry: If I were to buy a house today?
Jeremy: If you were to buy a house today, what would it be?
Chantry: Let’s buy a million-dollar house in Green Springs.
Jeremy: And what would be a couple basic criteria that you –
Chantry: Really nice swimming pool, maybe a game room in the basement.
Chantry: Four or five bedrooms, maybe a big casita. Kind of know we are dreaming. Right?
Jeremy: Okay. No, we are dreaming. Okay. Beautiful. So what you would do, where would you go to start looking?
Chantry: Well, me, knowing what I know, I would call a real estate friend, one of you guys, and say hey, this is what I am looking for. Set me up on a search.
Jeremy: Yeah, so two things that actually happen. Right? Number one, you call an agent and say set me up on a search. Tell me if you find anything. And then number two, you and your wife at eleven o’clock at night would be on a computer –
Chantry: Yep. Michelle said –
Jeremy: — or on an app searching. And you would be like Zillow dot com. Show me every home that is four bedrooms, three bathrooms, 3100 square feet or bigger, in the Green Springs area. I want a pool. It needs to be under a million dollars, and here is what would happen. You would actually burn yourself out looking, obsessing, you would obsess. Let me explain. This is really good. Jesse, just yell. Am I accurate with how buyers search for homes?
Jesse: Oh yeah.
Jeremy: They will drive their agent crazy searching. Hey, I saw this new one. I saw this new one. Did you see you the new one? Hey, what did you do this weekend? Well, actually we know that we are working with you, but we drove around, and we went in 27 open houses because we figured that somehow what we wanted you were not showing to us. But we could not find anything. And then we went to Craigslist and then we went to KSL dot com and we went to Zillow dot com, and then we came back around. They will literally drive themselves sick and they will get to this point of fatigue where they are like I do not even think I can look at another home. So what I always remind sellers is that if your home is a great home priced in a proper way, will buyers find it, yes or no?
Michelle: Many times over.
Jeremy: Yeah. So here is the other thing that sellers do not realize. Is it the buyer that is overlooking your home? Probably overlooked it like 30 times. Here is why. They tried KSL. They saw it there. They went to Zillow. They saw it there. They figured maybe realtor dot com would have it. They saw it there. They are getting listings emailed to them from five different agents because bless our hearts, that is what we do. We are consumers. So we go around and we see five different real estate signs. We call all of them, and all the agents being agents the way we are, hey Michelle, thanks for calling. Hey, how about we set you up on a home search. We will send you all the new listings in the morning. Wouldn’t that be great?
Michelle: Oh yeah.
Jeremy: Chantry is smiling because that is exactly what we do. I will just get you what you want in the time you want. Won’t that be great? There is a real estate script. They are getting listings from 5 to 10 agents based on their criteria. Are they seeing the home, yes or no?
Jeremy: They have overlooked your home so many times. Actually, you would be offended at how many times they looked at it and said no. We have seen it. No. Right? So we are having this interesting conversation here today about understanding the consumer’s mindset. Right?
Jeremy: So the consumer’s mindset is number one, from the seller’s perspective, well, maybe there is someone out there who does not know about my home. Trust me, everyone knows about your home that is looking for a home, especially if you hired a good agent.
Michelle: And when they come in for a consultation and we pull up a list of homes that they are interested in and I will say hey, I just want to make sure we vetted the process. Have you seen this one, this one, this one? And not only have they usually seen it, but they have named it. Oh yeah, the big tree home. Oh yeah, the lion house because there is lion statue on it.
Jeremy: They have named every home.
Michelle: They are very familiar. They have seen it multiple times on multiple occasions.
Jeremy: And this is a my reminder I would give to sellers. For people who are selling and trying to find a home, I want you to think about what you are doing. You are doing what I am saying the buyer for your home is doing. You know you have seen all the homes. So the buyers come in. You take them out, Michelle, and for $7.25, $7.50 a hour, no pay per hour, you show them homes. And the real work begins the day that you say oh we found a home.
Michelle: Yeah. We want to make an offer. We do not want to let this one get away. So then we start the negotiations.
Jeremy: What kind of paperwork is required to buy a home right now in the state of Utah?
Michelle: Well, you have got the contract, six-page contract.
Jeremy: Real Estate purchase contract.
Jeremy: A Rep-C.
Michelle: Yeah. Then you have got a buyer-broker agreement so that we have –
Jeremy: With the broker.
Michelle: — a right to represent you in the deal.
Chantry: Six pages does not do it justice. There is no inch that is not used. It is a lot.
Michelle: Yeah, it is a lot.
Jeremy: It is 29 sections, 26 sections.
Chantry: It is not like hey let’s just hand this to a, we have seen horror stories when people try not to use a realtor. It is like let’s just take this contract and fill it out and turn it into a seller. There are so many things in that contract that if they do not know exactly what they are doing, they are going to miss out on something.
Jeremy: Yeah, so it is six-pages. There 26 sections.
Chantry: 26 sections, yeah.
Michelle: Yeah, and for example like what loan are you using? What loan are you using? That will determine an additional addendum that is required for that loan.
Michelle: Then there is the buyer due diligence checklist that the state requires that. So that is something to warn the buyers hey here is a list of stuff to be sure that you are checking off so that you make sure that you are making the right decision. That has to be included. And then negotiations go back and forth which will add addenda to the contract. It can get pretty –
Michelle: Yeah, did you like that?
Jeremy: You know what is interesting?
Michelle: Not addendums.
Jeremy: How about this? How about this? Section 8.4, additional earnest money. If the Rep-C has not been previously cancelled by the buyer as provided in Sections 8.1, 8.2, or 8.3 as applicable, then no later than the due diligence deadline or the financing appraisal deadline, whichever is later, buyer will or will not deposit additional earnest money. Any additional earnest money deposited, if applicable, and sometimes referred to herein as the deposits, that the earnest money deposit or deposits, if applicable, shall be credited toward the purchase price at closing. Did anyone hear anything I just said?
Chantry: It is very attorney-speak.
Jeremy: That is one stupid paragraph —
Michelle: Yeah. Legalese.
Jeremy: — of 26 sections of a contract. Right?
Chantry: And I know I should not use this term, but I do tell them when they are working with Michelle or someone that is really good like Michelle that Michelle is your attorney. You can find the house. She has to let you in, and there are a lot of things that she does need involved there, but she is your attorney, really.
Jeremy: Yeah, because they sign (indiscernible) that we are not legal help but we are playing that.
Jeremy: How about this, and by the way, I have got Michelle Evans with the Larkin Group with our team over at the Keller Williams Realty. I have got Chantry Abbott, Guild Mortgage. So Chantry, you are a lender. What about if somebody submits a contract to you and it has deadlines that say that there is a financing and appraisal deadline? You get to deal with that. Right?
Chantry: Yeah, we have to make sure that we have got their loan approved and their appraisal reviewed, and everything looks good, otherwise they are potentially risking their earnest money deposit, which if you do not know what that is, like a security deposit, and sometimes it can be really expensive. We have seen $5,000, $10,000 can be in trouble if they are not having a real estate agent that is taking care of those deadlines.
Jeremy: How many pages in your typical loan contract to close a loan? I do not mean the contract with you. I mean the actual loan agreement with the bank. How many pages? Typically.
Chantry: Like at closing, it is probably roughly 30 pages.
Jeremy: 30 pages. Has anyone ever read one of those? It is epic. Right?
Jeremy: It is epic boilerplate –
Michelle: Take your dictionary.
Jeremy: — legal-speak. Right? So Chantry, what if I turn in the contract to you that says listen, Michelle, wrote an offer. The offer is contingent on an appraisal. It is contingent on –
Michelle: Due diligence
Jeremy: — due diligence or a home inspection. It is also contingent on the seller who is in San Francisco selling their home, and there is an addendum that says that they have just put their home on the market in San Francisco, and they have 21 days to sell the home, and if they do not sell the home in 21 days, then we can cancel the contract and come back. While that is at it, we have a 72-hour clause that will allow other buyers to come in and the other buyers can make offers on the listing that Michelle wrote an offer on and then they could kick the first buyer out of place. Do you see that stuff as a lender?
Chantry: Yeah, quite often.
Jeremy: All of the time. When does the work begin, guys? The work begins at contract.
Michelle: Very much so.
Jeremy: And so if we are selling your home, by the way, the work, of course, begins when we start marketing your property. Of course, right? But we are really more, the day that we sign that listing agreement and we start saying let’s schedule photography and let’s do what we do. But if you are buying a home, the heavy-duty work, that is contract work.
Michelle: And I think that they do not realize that there is a second set of negotiations. So during that due diligence period, that is 10 days, two weeks roughly that you have to get a home inspection done and then there is a second set of negotiations. Because a home is sold as is, but often sellers will defer maintenance and just feel like well the buyer can take care of that.
Jeremy: So you mean there is a negotiation to buy the house and then there is another second negotiation once they have done an inspection?
Jeremy: What if the appraisal comes in low, Chantry?
Chantry: Another opportunity for a negotiation. Right? So I guess that is a third potential negotiation.
Jeremy: What percentage, Chantry, of deals do you see have an appraisal come in low right now?
Chantry: Probably 95% of them are just fine. So maybe 1 out of 20 or something along those lines. There is an appraisal something. Sometimes it is not just value. Maybe it is the roof has an issue that needs to be fixed or things like that.
Jeremy: Guys, it is snowing really hard out there. I just want to interrupt this previously scheduled program.
Michelle: Gosh, it is pretty.
Jeremy: So, Michelle, Chantry, so happy you are with us today. Let me share some statistics with some folks this morning. It is February 21st. We got a little bit of a slow start at the Larkin Group this year. Last year, we had 173 buyers or sellers, families we helped. But we have 21 properties under contract, representing a buyer or seller. We have closed 13. So all that paperwork we just talked about, 13 times we have closed it. We have 21 under contract. We have executed 31 contracts since January 1st, meaning we took a buyer out, went through all that nonsense, negotiated a purchase price, negotiated a deal, went through the inspections, went through the appraisals, went through all the headache. Chantry, does sometimes days before closing a lender, like the underwriting lender come back and say that they need a pay stub from 2007 to prove that these people are actually real?
Chantry: Can. We sure try hard to avoid it but yeah, it is just one of those things sometimes. Right?
Jeremy: Yeah, right. So we have put 31 contracts together like this, and eight of them have fallen apart so far this year. That is the numbers so far. So 8 of 31 have fallen apart. And why do contracts fall out, Michelle? Like what would be the reasons? Why do deals fall apart mostly?
Michelle: They cannot qualify for their loan is a big one. They change their mind is another one. Something happens during the home inspection and if the seller is not willing to credit or repair that issue, then they are like we are out.
Michelle: So that is another thing.
Jeremy: You mean they get scared. They get nervous, they do not like the neighborhood, they do not like the church, parish, whatever they went to. They found five broken roof tiles and maybe they are concerned that, and the list goes on and on. Right?
Michelle: It does.
Chantry: Appraisal. Appraisal does not come out good. There is an issue.
Michelle: Their home does not sell. It was contingent on –
Jeremy: Yeah, they had to sell their home.
Michelle: Their contract fell through back in San Francisco or whatever it could be.
Jeremy: Yeah, the domino chain. Chantry, as we wrap up, final minute. Most important message you feel like buyers and sellers need from a lending perspective today.
Chantry: Yeah, I just think that I have preached about this a bunch of times. But interest rates, we all know at some point, are going to be going up. Right? They have gone up about 1% in 2018. They went up about 1% in 2017.
Jeremy: Yeah. By the way, that costs people 20% of their purchasing power.
Chantry: And that is what I was going to tie it into. Perfect.
Chantry: If that goes up, no, it is great. If that goes up 1% again in 2019, which it probably will, most likely, who knows, but probably, that impacts their purchasing power or their monthly payment by 10%, which means home prices would have to change by 10% or they would have to buy a 10% less home. So I know the price of the house matters. I bought a place in 2007. I still have it. I have a ton of equity.
Jeremy: Worst possible time to buy a house.
Chantry: I have a ton of equity because it does not matter that much unless you are going to sell it next year.
Jeremy: Yep. Exactly. Exactly.
Jeremy: Michelle, thank you for being on here with us today.
Michelle: Thank you.
Jeremy: And for bringing your expertise and talking about what realtors, I was about to say real estate agents, real estate agents and mortgage professionals, mortgage lenders, we get paid to produce an outcome. Right? At the end of the day, we do not get paid for the hours we work because sometimes we work 100 hours and sometimes, we work seven on the same deal. Right?
Jeremy: We get paid to produce an outcome. We get paid to walk somebody through the most complicated and emotional process of their life, and that might include needing to reduce their price if they are selling the home. All sorts of things.
Chantry: I think we protect them through that process. Right? That is what we do.
Jeremy: Bingo. Bingo. Guys, I want you to visit St. George Home Searching dot com. St. George Home Searching dot com because we are talking about the MLS. If you want to look at every single house that is on the Multiple Listing Service right now, St. George Home Searching dot com. You can click on the link there to find out what your home is worth. Check it out. Thanks, Chantry Abbott, Guild Mortgage. 674-1090 if you want to speak with him. 674-1090. If you want to reach out to us, 275-1690. Sold in St. George dot com. There you go. End of story.
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Andy: You know what that music means? I do. I think it means Jeremy Larkin is in the house.
Jeremy: Hello, everybody. You know what, Jesse? We are going to reset this live feed, guys. We have got a Facebook Live feed, and I do not think we are on Wi-Fi. So I think we re going to reset it. Good morning to everybody here. Jeremy Larkin, host of the St. George, what?
Jesse: St. George Real Estate Radio Show, the Morning Drive.
Jeremy: You almost got it. See? I was testing you. I was testing you. I was testing you.
Andy: You guys are so tech-savvy.
Jeremy: The St. George Real Estate Morning Drive. Okay? Can we get it right? The St. George Real Estate Morning Drive. We have got to get Andy trained.
Jeremy: Andy, here is the thing, Andy. You were just calling Hurricane H-Town.
Andy: H-Town. Yeah.
Andy: Is that not good?
Jeremy: I like it, but now I want the St. George Real Estate Morning Drive. Can people see his shirt? They cannot see his shirt because he has got a face for radio.
Andy: Maybe we ought to do a close-up on Facebook.
Jeremy: He has got a face for radio. Do you love that?
Andy: But he has got a shirt for the world. His shirt is amazing.
Jesse: Hey, my wife gave me this shirt two years ago, and I think it has taken me a couple years to get the courage to wear it. So.
Jeremy: (Indiscernible) woman.
Jesse: It is sexy.
Andy: This is the debut of the shirt today?
Jesse: No, I have worn it before, but not like this. Not on air.
Andy: Oh, okay.
Jeremy: It is a debut.
Andy: He has lips on his shirt.
Jesse: If you cannot see it, you can go to the Larkin Group. We are St. George Experts on Facebook and look at our Facebook Live and you can see the lips. I feel like Mick Jagger.
Jeremy: they are not that big.
Jesse: I almost like Mick Jagger this morning because in the middle of the night, I stole my wife’s pillow and she got up and almost punched me.
Jeremy: Let me see if I can explain something to all of our listeners. He moves. You know the song? Moves Like Jagger? This guy moves like Mick Jagger.
Jeremy: He actually does. So I got a question out there for people. How many folks are YouTube Live? Does anyone watch YouTube? I do not know. Because it is a thing.
Jesse: I do. Not live, but I definitely am a YouTuber.
Jeremy: So what we are doing now is we have taken the show and we are running it on YouTube Live. So we run the show on Facebook Live. We run the show on YouTube Live. Now, we killed our live feed for just a minute. I am Jeremy Larkin, host of the St. George Real Estate Morning Drive. Because we thought maybe WiiFi might be helpful, Andy.
Andy: Is it working?
Jeremy: It is. We are going to be back on right now. So guys, I want to wish everybody out there a very, very lovely happy Valentine’s Day. Andy, what do you got, what is on your schedule today?
Andy: Dinner and a concert for me and the wife.
Jeremy: Where is the concert?
Andy: It is Cox Auditorium. It is the Carpenters’ tribute band. I do not know if you are old enough to remember the Carpenters.
Jeremy: Come on, of course.
Andy: They were very romantic.
Jesse: No, the Carpenters.
Jeremy: Come on.
Andy: I said something in a room the other day about going to the Carpenters’ tribute band, and everybody gave me the three-mile stare like who? What? Who? She has been dead for 30 years. But yeah, I am pretty pumped about tonight. We have not figured out where dinner, we are not sit down with cloth napkins and have a steak type people very often. So we are going to have a nice dinner and a concert, but it will not be, I am not going to spend $100 on dinner.
Jeremy: Very fair.
Jesse: Or wait for 2 ½ hours.
Andy: I have got a reservation. No, no, I do not want to do that.
Jesse: Valentine’s Day is the craziest restaurant day.
Andy: What about you, Jeremy?
Jeremy: For what it is worth, I have got reservations, by the way.
Jeremy: I have got reservations at the Ledges, 5pm.
Jeremy: So don’t anybody out there dare think that I did not plan ahead. I got those reservations a week ago.
Jesse: Wow. A week in advance and you still got –
Jeremy: Now, I might be there alone, but I have got reservations at the Ledges. Do you know what I am saying?
Andy: You planned ahead though. That is good. I am impressed.
Jeremy: No, I absolutely did. I have got reservations at the Ledges with a very lovely woman. Happy Valentine’s Day to Kayla Evans, and to Jesse Poll here and all of my –
Jesse: And to Leia Frances Poll. That is my wife.
Jeremy: And to Leis Frances Poll. Yeah. And to all of the beautiful women at our office, and also the beautiful men at the Larkin Group. I do not know.
Andy: Can’t they be handsome?
Jeremy: They can be handsome. They are beautiful. Guys, we are back on Facebook Live if you are not there. Facebook dot com slash Jeremy Larkin. Check it out. We are live, back on. Just trying to see if we can get our feeds to run a little better. Okay. The funny part is I was going to look in my photos this morning. This is what I love about technology. I was going to look in my photos and did not prior to the show to find out what I was doing last Valentine’s Day. That is the thing with the phone is you can actually find out what you were doing on any Valentine’s Day. Right?
Andy: Was there something cool?
Jesse: Because of your photos.
Jeremy: No, yeah. Just because your photos it is a scrapbook. It is a living scrapbook. How many photos do you have on your phone, Jesse?
Jeremy: How many thousands?
Jesse: I do not know. My phone is over there. Well, I have had to delete it a few times because my iCloud gets full.
Jesse: And I just cannot see paying $12, $20 a month because it just keeps adding. When I can take it all over to Google photos and get almost unlimited if I save it right.
Jesse: So it is challenging to make that happen. With an iPhone, it does not seamlessly happen.
Jeremy: It is not quite as seamless as you want it to be. Well, I want to let you guys know that I have 11,000 —
Jeremy: — photos.
Jeremy: How do you like that?
Jesse: I do not have that many. You must pay for serious storage or you have a big phone.
Jeremy: I have a gigantic phone.
Jeremy: It is basically like the brick phone from Saved by the Bell. Remember the one? You do not know.
Andy: I used to broadcast games on those big things.
Jesse: Oh, I remember those.
Jeremy: Oh gosh.
Jesse: Those came out when I was actually a teenager, I think.
Jeremy: Yeah, it is a big old brick phone.
Jesse: Miami Vice.
Jeremy: Yeah, Crockett and Tubbs. Right? Remember those guys?
Andy: Oh yeah.
Jeremy: We are going to have some fun this morning. So we are going to give away some Parade of Homes tickets. We are giving away on the Larkin Group Facebook page dinner for two. A gift card for some folks. Should we start with that?
Jesse: Let’s do it.
Jeremy: Okay, we have got a Valentine’s giveaway. By the way, I am Jeremy Larkin, host of the St. George Real Estate Morning Drive, and I have got Jesse Poll here, my business partner, co-host, and we are talking about, we are going to talk about the St. George Parade of Homes –
Jesse: Let’s do it.
Jeremy: — because it is so massive and we ran a survey that is very, very interesting. Now, I think the data is, I think it is lopsided and weighted because it is data that came from out real estate database.
Jesse: Right. Right.
Jeremy: Does that make sense? So is it really, it is not reflective of what the public is doing.
Jesse: Right, but I think we are going to do another one, I believe.
Jeremy: Yeah, we will probably do another one. Okay.
Jesse: To really make it fair.
Jeremy: We will do another one. But the first thing I want to tell folks is would you like to win date night? You have already got yours planned.
Jeremy: So folks can still win it. Over at the Larkin Group Facebook page. It is Facebook dot com slash St. George Experts. Facebook dot com slash St. George Experts. Some fun photos. Tag your Valentine and post a photo of you and them on the feed there. We already have 11 beautiful couples have posted and good morning to so many of them. So cool, so fun. Have you seen it? It is pretty fun. Hop on there. Facebook dot com slash St. George Experts, and post a photo of your Valentine together. You two together.
Jeremy: And we are going to draw for one lucky couple today. Number two, we have got a St. George Parade of Homes ticket giveaway that is going on right now. And I know we are giving people so maybe things to track down, but it is okay. They are going to survive. Right?
Jesse: If they want it, they will track it.
Jeremy: If they want it, they will track it down.
Jesse: We will chase the things that we want.
Jeremy: Yeah, we will chase things that we want. And by the way, I chase the things that I want. Very, very, very much chase things I want. So, want to let people know we are doing a giveaway and if you want to get in on this giveaway, visit St. George Real Estate Videos dot com because we posted the link there, and it is a survey about the Parade of Homes. Should we talk about the results, Jesse?
Jesse: Let’s do it.
Jeremy: It is a very simple survey. We asked people three questions about the Parade of Homes, but maybe most importantly, we asked questions about what their plans are in real estate this year because we want, it is like what are people thinking? What are they feeling? What are they going through? Are people buying homes? Are they selling homes? What are they doing? Right? Okay. So how many responses have we had to our survey?
Jeremy: 118 folks answered three questions. And what were the questions, Jesse? Do you know off the top of your head?
Jesse: The first was have you ever attended the St. George Parade of Homes? 79% said yes. 20% said no.
Jeremy: Okay. And this is in our database?
Jeremy: So, so 80% said yes, more or less. 20% said no.
Jeremy: Now, not surprisingly, what was the next question and answer?
Jesse: Do you plan to attend this year’s Parade of Homes or the 2019 Parade of Homes? 80% said yes. 19.3 said no.
Jeremy: So essentially, exact reflective answer. All the people who said they had been to the parade said they are going to the Parade. Have you been?
Andy: I have, yes.
Jeremy: It is very cool. If you go this year, if there is anything you want above say $2 million, we would be happy to write it up. Okay? Just want you to know that.
Andy: That would be dollars because that is a little out of my price range, Jeremy.
Jeremy: Yeah, I know. I get it. I get it. Third question. What do we have?
Jesse: Third question. Do you plan on making a move or change of residence in 2019? 55% said no. 44.5 said yes.
Jeremy: And that was baffling. So understand that this survey was conducted out of our database. So for our real estate clients, by the way, who we market to. We have almost 10,000 now —
Jeremy: — recipients on our email list. As a matter of fact, our last, I do not know what yesterday was when we sent out the Parade of Homes giveaway, but we were at about 9200 successful deliveries. That is how big our database it. That is how big the group is that we are now marketing to, that we are marketing your listing to if you are selling a home. Right? That we are sharing about the market. And anyone who is on that list knows that we share, it is like 90% value, content, 10% hey, can you help us out? Can you send us a referral? That kind of thing. We are putting tons and tons of content into this database. So the point being we queried that group, and in that group, not surprisingly, lots of them go to the Parade of Homes. Lots of them plan to go to the Parade of Homes, and almost 50%, did you say 45? Said they are going to move this year.
Jeremy: Holy cow. Okay.
Jeremy: Let’s talk about some of the things they said, and by the way, of course, I am not going to ever share names. Here is a couple of things I noticed by the way. We are thinking of downsizing. We are thinking of downsizing. We are thinking of downsizing. I think I saw that yeah three times. We are thinking of downsizing. Isn’t that fascinating?
Jesse: I am looking at one right here. The first one that popped up. When will the bubble in real estate bust? When will the prices plateau?
Jesse: Will Washington County pricing peak anytime soon?
Jeremy: Oh, this is so awesome. So when will the bubble burst? So –
Andy: Is it a bubble even?
Jeremy: You are just, thank you for being wonderful. Andy, have you ever had something go really horribly wrong for you?
Andy: Oh, of course.
Andy: My first day on the air here, as a matter of fact.
Jeremy: Beautiful. And here is a question for you. After the first day on the air, this is actually perfect, and I did not set you up for this.
Jeremy: After the first day on the air, and it went horrible is how you felt about that. Okay? Did you believe that all of the other days were also going to be horrible because that one was horrible?
Jeremy: No. So do you see where I am going? There was a bubble a decade ago.
Jeremy: And because there was a bubble, people are so shell-shocked of what do they believe?
Jesse: There is going to be another one.
Jeremy: It is going to happen again.
Jesse: What is interesting is the last time, it had been so long since we had had anything like that it was not even in their mind.
Jesse: And now, because we are back to a normal cycle, right? It should cycle every ten years. Up and down. Up or plateau.
Jeremy: Yes. Yes.
Jesse: So last time, it was one of the longest stretches in history. So it was out of our mind. The 70s and 80s is the last time that it probably really happened (indiscernible)
Jeremy: Literally. Yeah, when you are talking about major economic issues with 70s and 80s –
Jeremy: — you had interest rates hit 18%, and then for people to even buy or sell real estate it was all seller-financed, and weird and wrap-around mortgages. And you can have the use of my four-wheeler. It was three wheelers by the way in the 80s. Those things were fun and dangerous.
Andy: And dangerous.
Jeremy: And dangerous.
Jesse: My son got a three-wheeler that did not run, and he made it run on fumes. He created a gasifier engine.
Jeremy: A gasifier engine.
Jesse: In high school.
Jeremy: Oh my goodness.
Jesse: Good old three-wheeler. They made it a chopper three-wheeler.
Jeremy: I love it. I tipped one over. 600 South downtown St. George.
Jeremy: But at the time it was like you can use my three-wheeler and then also my house boat at Lake Powell and then I will give you $20,000 down and then if you will, it was this crazy stuff people had to do to sell real estate. We do not have any comprehension how good it is now. Because see if you do not know what the bitter is, you do not know what the sweet is. So folks, we are in a wonderful real estate market. We are in a healthy real estate market. We are probably getting into a more healthy real estate market than we have seen in the last couple of years.
Jeremy: When will the boom bust? Bubble burst? We do not think there is a bubble. Okay? Fair enough?
Jesse: I agree.
Jeremy: All right. So what is another question we have got in here? These are so incredible. Incredible issues. We basically could run a radio show for the next two years off this.
Jesse: I think we should because the next one that popped out on me –
Jeremy: Thank you, everyone.
Jesse: Nothing to do with the Parade of Homes, but this stuff comes up all the time. We are thinking about adding a two-car garage to our home with a two-car garage. And that would be four would be attached. What affect will this have on the home’s value?
Jeremy: Okay. So let’s run this. Let’s break this down now. They want to add a two-car garage.
Jesse: To a two-car garage. So it would be a four-car garage.
Jeremy: Two two-car. All right. So, Carl Wright was in our office last week –
Jesse: Two to two.
Jeremy: Yeah right. So Carl Wright was in our office last week. Carl Wright is with R1 Appraisals. I hope I do not butcher this. I think they have done 120,000 appraisals. His company. They might have a feel for the market.
Jesse: A little one.
Jeremy: And what was fun is that most everything he said reflected what I knew which made me very happy and kind of pat my own back. Stretch back there.
Jesse: He did, too.
Jeremy: Yeah, I did. I went ahead and gave myself a scratch and a pat and hug.
Jesse: And asked us for one, too. And we gave it to him.
Jeremy: I know you did. Depending on the home, 7-10,000 per garage bay if you are in a more expensive home. $5-8,000 per garage bay if you are on a less expensive home. Let’s call it 10,000 a garage bay. And let’s just maybe go ahead and say 15-20 grand. Now, but here is maybe more important. That is 15-20 grand on an appraisal.
Jeremy: But more importantly, if they were to put it on the market, it is much more marketable.
Jeremy: Right? And we do not know. We do not know what, well, aren’t you guys real estate professionals? Well, yeah. But we do not know everything. Right? There is no classic, perfect metric for that. But here is what I would say to the person who answered that question. If you want to put a two-car garage onto your existing two so you got a four, you are not doing that for another buyer. Who are you doing that for, Jesse?
Jeremy: Yeah. Have you upgraded your home ever, Andy?
Andy: Yeah, years ago.
Jeremy: What did you do?
Andy: We added a little bit of room. We also built on kind of shed-type space and a carport, and then we added on an awning in the back.
Andy: Made the back very livable.
Jeremy: So did you like that?
Andy: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Jeremy: And who did you do that for?
Andy: Did it for myself, not for the future owner.
Jesse: We were just having this conversation the other day.
Jeremy: But there was a benefit for the future owner, but it really was not for them. It was for you.
Jeremy: There you go.
Jesse: We were just having this conversation the other day. We have got a couple coming soon listings. One in the Legacy that is a walk-out basement. Another one in Bloomington Hills, and we are talking about well one of them has completely remodeled it. Just beautiful home. And we were talking about man, what value can we really get out of this? Can we get it back? That will be coming on the market here in a few weeks. We are really excited about that and see what the market says.
Jeremy: Incredible home in the Legacy. We are –
Jesse: Oh, it is so awesome.
Jeremy: — talk about a couple of properties today.
Andy: Jeremy, let me mention real quick. I have a Mustang.
Jeremy: Hey, Andy, this is my show. I am kidding. Keep talking.
Andy: I just want to enhance your point though.
Jeremy: I just wanted to go ahead and see if people could be uncomfortable. I could not even stand this discomfort –
Andy: I can turn off your microphone –
Jeremy: I know you can.
Andy: No, I am just kidding
Jeremy: So go ahead.
Jesse: He controls this show.
Andy: I have a Mustang. Last year I bought some Boss rims for my Mustang. I did not buy the Boss rims because someday I am going to sell that Mustang and I want to get that money back. I bought the Boss rims because they are cool, and I wanted my car to look really cool. Same point.
Jeremy: And here is the irony. Because not only did you not buy it for the future purchaser of your car, what is actually going to happen to the value of that car over time?
Andy: It is just going to go up. Yeah.
Jeremy: It is going to go up, or people may or may not ever even want that and you may just give those Boss rims away for free. Right? Because you do not know what someone will want.
Jeremy: When we talk about selling a home in this market, we have had this conversation so often. You envision this giant funnel, okay. Giant. Like a Washington County size funnel. And at the top of the funnel is every buyer for every property. Okay? Townhomes, condos, single-family homes, luxury homes, trailers, trailers on rented lots, trailers on owned lots, land, every property, every buyer goes into the top of the funnel. Well, here is the issue. Out the bottom of the funnel, Jesse, if you are selling a home, what do you need? You need one person to come out of the bottom of the funnel who wants what?
Jesse: To buy this home.
Jeremy: That home. So Jesse lives on 200?
Jeremy: In Hurricane, H-Town. I love that, Andy.
Andy: H-Town. Yeah.
Jeremy: He is home that was built –
Jeremy: — in 19 what?
Jeremy: 1922. The home is gorgeous. Okay? And, not but, and it is a historic home.
Jesse: It is definitely an historic home.
Jeremy: So here is what has to happen if Jesse wants to sell his house. He has to find someone, number one, who wants to buy a home. Number two, they want to buy a home in Hurricane –
Jeremy: — Utah. Number three, they are okay buying a home built in 1926.
Jeremy: And all that comes with a home that was built in 1922.
Jesse: Yes, it does. You start digging into those and you find problems you did not even know existed.
Jeremy: Okay. We have got our buyer, but yet, we do not. Now, they have to be able to afford it. Next, number five, they have to want to afford it.
Jeremy: That one is what people, maybe I do not want to afford it. Oh, I could afford it. I just do not want to afford it. Right? They have to want to afford it. And then we just come circle all the way back around to what we talked about. Then they have to love the style. Going in the house has to feel right the day they went there because maybe the husband and wife or husband and husband or wife and wife or whatever we are doing now, right, we are in a fight in the car on the way to the home. Do you realize the couple fighting in the car on the way to the house could ruin the sale?
Andy: It is true.
Andy: That is true.
Jeremy: Do you love it? Anything could affect the marketability of this home.
Jesse: Oh my gosh, that is great.
Jeremy: So out the bottom of this funnel is the person that buys your home. And so we just have to realize that this is not like oh, I got the best home on the block. I realize you might have the best home on the block, but buyers are looking at a lot of homes.
Jesse: There are a lot of other dynamics. I was just talking to somebody yesterday that was doing an inspection on a home and their agent, the seller’s agent, is just disconnected. They are not, it is just who they are.
Jeremy: Okay. Agent representing the seller of the property. Okay.
Jesse: The seller. So they are doing inspections. The buyer is doing an inspection and this seller is just livid. And their agent is not available to help calm them down. This is just what happens. This is normal. So it may go south because something you cannot control. The seller, the buyer cannot control, the agent should be controlling that. Or at least doing some future prepping —
Jesse: — of what to expect.
Jeremy: Future prepping. Future pacing.
Jesse: Pacing. There you go.
Jeremy: Is what we call it okay. Okay. One more question. Andy, what do we got for time today?
Andy: You have got about three minutes.
Jeremy: Last question, Jesse, and then we are going to talk about two real estate things, two homes.
Jesse: Okay. There was one on here. Let me look.
Jeremy: Okay. When is the best time to refinance? How about that?
Jesse: That is a good one.
Jeremy: You ready? You ready? The best time to refinance is when interest rates are lower than your current interest rate. And by the way, people say by how much? At least a half of a point.
Jeremy: If it is not about a half a point, you are going to pay a lot of money unless you are really truly planning on staying in a home for 30 years. When is the best time to refinance? When is the best time to plant a tree? 25 years ago. When is the next best time? Today.
Jesse: And that also depends on what you are doing. I went to go refinance and Chantry Abbot over at Guild Mortgage actually talked me out of it and sent me to a different institution to get a HELOC because it made more sense for me.
Jeremy: That is what happens, by the way, when you work with professionals. How about this? Two minutes. Robert did this on our team. Congrats, Robert. Happy Valentine’s Day, Robert. Just wanted to personally, and you have done this. He talked the seller out of selling their home.
Jeremy: Went to visit with the client and said I do not even think this is a good idea. Folks, a couple of incredible properties coming up. We are listing, putting on the market tomorrow afternoon a home in Ivins that is just, it is literally like a little, it is not a diamond in the rough. It is like a little, fields of diamonds. More like that. It is in your backyard. They coined it mini farm meets pool paradise, and these are amazing people.
Jesse: They are amazing people and an amazing house.
Jeremy: Yeah, it is really fun.
Jesse: It is going to be a lot of fun to sell that.
Jeremy: Yeah, I love it when we bring a home to market that is just not another home. 2355 square feet, four bedrooms, but most importantly, they have built this oasis in the backyard. Chicken coops. It is just so freaking cool. So anyway, check this out. This home is coming to the market tomorrow. Number two, Legacy and we are not going to give you anymore. By the way, if you want to see this property upcoming, you can see it at Go St. George dot com. Legacy.
Jesse: I have got one in Bloomington Hills coming up.
Jesse: Walk-out basement with two kitchens. Just awesome mother-in-law apartment.
Jeremy: Two kitchen. Oh. Guys, incredible properties. Check them all out at Go St. George dot com on our coming soon listings. They are not all there yet because we are working with a lot of clients. If you would like to win the Valentine’s, a date night for you and your Valentine, visit Facebook dot com slash St. George Experts, and post, you will see the post. Post a picture or photo of your loveliness together. And if you would like to get in on the Parade of Homes, we are going to give away at least ten tickets, five sets of tickets.
Jeremy: Get involved in the Parade of Homes survey that we asked today. Have you been? Are you going? And do you plan to buy or sell this year? To give us a sense for what people are doing at St. George Real Estate Videos dot com. Man, did we jam it in there?
Andy: You got it done.
Jesse: Good job, Jeremy.
Jeremy: Sponsored by Coke Vanilla Zero.
Andy: I know. Nice product placement.
Jeremy: Look it is a downgrade from Red Bull. I am trying to get off that stuff. I love the product placement. The problem is guess what they are giving me? Nothing.
Andy: St. George Real Estate Morning Drive with Jeremy Larkin. Jeremy, I loved the show. Thank you, man.
Jeremy: Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Cheers.
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Mike: KDXU News Time. It is 8:36 of the news time morning news, and welcome. Glad to have you with us. Thursday morning. And of course, that means it is time one again for another edition of the St. George Real Estate Morning Drive with the voice of St. George Real Estate Jeremy Larkin.
Jeremy: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, girls, boys, real estate fans. I can definitely declare that I am going to be stopping at Daylight Donuts on my way by this morning. I just had that inspiration coming up Bluff Street.
Jesse: Then you have got to do it then.
Jeremy: I know. I realize it may not be the best choice. We will see. Let’s see how I feel in 24 minutes. We will see how I feel then. It is a wonderful day. I have got Jesse Poll, Jesse Poll in studio with me.
Jesse: You can call me whatever you want.
Jeremy: Yeah, I have got JC, my good friend, here. Good morning to all of our lovely listeners and Facebook friends and fans and people. It is going to be a great day, and part of the reason we know that is if you look outside you can actually see, hair in my eye here, sorry. You can actually see downtown. I can see all the way. You can see a big old shower coming down the way and some sun rays coming through them.
Jesse: It is nice.
Jeremy: It is incredible. The famed, famed Larkin Group Fall and Dixie photo that has just been going around for forever and ever and ever, we actually have a client. Remember Quuntin and Mori Jensen? Did you, you did not know them.
Jesse: I did not know them.
Jeremy: So they are moving back from Virginia and how I noticed that on Facebook the other day is that they had posted this photo, and if our listeners do not know what this photo is I guess I can throw this into the feed this morning. But it is a picture we had taken in 2009 by Danny Lee. Danny is a really great professional photographer here in town and did just a ton of work for us for a lot of years. Larry Gardner, a little back story. So this is going to be fun this morning, excuse me, but I am. So Larry is a friend. I grew up in the neighborhood that he was one of the dads. Right? So his kids are my friends.
Jeremy: And then he was my boss. One of my bosses. He is a City councilman and a really well-known guy, and so he took a photo of this shot. And the shot is you drive up Airport Hill. Okay? What they call it. Right? Just to the top, almost to the old airport, which is now where the Cliffside Restaurant is, and he took this photo. And it was probably 2004 of downtown and it was just in this epic color, and it was right after a rainstorm and everything was clear, and the color was really vibrant. Well, it was not a professional photo. It was a good photo, and years later, it was November. It was good, and we used it in our marketing, but it had some power lines running through it.
Jeremy: And then years later on a November day, I called Danny and I said what are you doing? Well, I am in St. George. I just shot a home, photographed a home. Well, could you go up to Airport Hill in like 10 minutes? He said yeah. He went up to the hill and 15 minutes later we had this photo, and it has been featured on more Facebook pages and yard sale pages. When I saw the Jensens, now segueing back, I knew they were moving back from Virginia because what photo did they post to say guess what everyone, we are moving back to St. George.
Jesse: I am going to tell on myself for a second here. I do not even know if you know this, but did you know that I stole that idea before we met? For my sign.
Jesse: I went up to my friend’s house –
Jeremy: I remember. I remember.
Jesse: But it was my photo.
Jeremy: We disapproved. We saw.
Jesse: I did not even know it was you.
Jeremy: Oh, it was us.
Jesse: I saw this sign and I am like wow, that is gorgeous. How could I get one like that? So I went up to my friend’s house with my phone and took it.
Jeremy: Oh, I remember. I remember, Jesse. We knew you before you knew us.
Jesse: And do you know where those signs are now?
Jeremy: In the garbage?
Jesse: No, my sister-in-law painted them. We have this, the next time you come to my house you will see it. It says the cottage. This beautiful sign.
Jeremy: I did not know this.
Jesse: I have not hung it yet because we were still working on it.
Jeremy: Oh, that is classic.
Jesse: But she painted them all. For each, she did one for everybody’s house.
Jeremy: I am glad you came to work for us instead of –
Jeremy: — instead of competing.
Jesse: Right. Competing with the sign. Mine still was not as pretty though because it was reflective, and it is in the details. Right?
Jeremy: The devil is in the details. Hope we have got some friends watching. Comment and say hello if you are watching this morning and let us know that you are out, and you are listening. So I want to share with you guys something that is going on. That is the background. And we will share that. We will actually throw that photo on the Larkin Group Facebook page this morning.
Jesse: It is a nice photo. It is so nice people try to steal it.
Jeremy: Yeah, it has been on postcards. There are some jerks around town that thought they could take our photo. That is the situation, guys. It could be worse. By the way, if you are lamenting that it is cool or not, it is just not early Fall anymore, you could have snow. And it is snowing all over the place.
Jesse: And they do have snow in Cedar City. My wife called me last night on her way back from work and said it is snowing.
Jeremy: Woo, buddy. We do not want that. We do not want that. Today, we are going to share with you, just so you know, as we get the show rolling, we are going to share with you what I believe is really the most important, single most important message that you can receive in real estate. And when I say most important message, I mean in any market. And when I say any market, Jesse, what I mean is any city. Okay?
Jeremy: And in any market condition. Right? Whether the market is going, generally the public understands real estate as the market is either going up or it is going down.
Jeremy: That is kind of how that works. Well, is the market going up or is the market going down? We are going to share with you the single most important message that you could possibly have in real estate. There is nothing more important to you as a buyer or a seller than this message that we are going to share today. Okay? Which is something more than Happy Holidays. Is that fair enough for you?
Jesse: Oh, happy days.
Jeremy: This truly is something that is important. So I wanted to share something that is kind of fascinating.
Jesse: That was for Jessica Marron, by the way. Her and I –
Jeremy: Good morning, Jessica.
Jesse: You never know when either of us is going to start singing —
Jesse: — or dancing.
Jeremy: That is exactly right.
Jesse: She is my kindred spirit.
Jeremy: I think she is a lot of people’s kindred spirit. Good morning to her. Gang, if you are a skier or a snowboarder, Bryant Head Resort, I was just mentioning when the live feed started, and we were just kind of in here getting mic’ed up, Bryant Head is getting some snow. Finally, getting some snow. They opened last weekend. I never miss opening day ever.
Jesse: And you did.
Jeremy: Two weekends ago. I absolutely missed opening day. They opened actually the weekend before Thanksgiving, and then I missed the weekend after. It is looking like I will miss this weekend as well. So this is pretty rarified stuff for me, but it is what it is. If you go to Bryant Head dot com, it is fun. They have three live webcams and I watching it right now in studio, panning left and right, and it is dark, and it is overcast still a little bit up there. Lights are on. It is really cool because the storm has set in up there. So check that out. Skiers and snowboarders, we are really only an hour, it is an hour and a half if it were a snowy day and you were taking it easy. I do not tend to take it very easy when I travel to Bryant Head. I am usually in a hurry. I call it 75 minutes for sure coming back and usually about 80 going up. So Bryant Head dot com. I hope that everyone has got their skis shined up, grab a stick of Juicy Fruit. Remember those ads? I do. I remember those ads very, very —
Jesse: Juice Fruit.
Jeremy: — yep, very distinctly, and these people were skiing over in Colorado. That was a good time. All right, let’s talk about real estate, shall we?
Jesse: Let’s do it.
Jeremy: Jesse, I had this crazy, last night I was playing around, and I am absolutely not going to mention the homeowner’s name. But I saw a property that was in Stonecliff that was on the market. And when I looked at the property, this is kind of interesting. So, this home has been listed one, two, three –
Jesse: Two, three, four, five, six —
Jeremy: — four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve times.
Jeremy: So there is a property that has been on the market twelve times, and that is with a variety of real estate agents, starting in 2008, it is now 2018. So for a decade, literally for a decade, and if I count up the days, two, three, four, the home has legitimately been on the market probably 1500 days over the last decade in Stonecliff. For our listeners out there, if you have not sold a home, this is so mind-boggling if you are the homeowner. Right? Because you start to say what is possible, and I see the price started at one point, I am just going to say six. The price started at $1.6 million, and it has come down a third of that, and down below that, and then it has come back up. Here is the challenge. When we have a market that has appreciated for the last six years but your price has come down a third over the last ten years, this does not make sense. Right? So all of the home values in Washington County have gone up an average, an average of about $125,000, 130 since April 2013. Or just 2013. Maybe it was April. Home values are up $125,000, 130 maybe in Washington County since 2013. That is the average home. Home values as a percentage are up 25-30%, maybe even more, maybe even 35% in certain neighborhoods. But here is a home that a really good human being has tried to sell. A homeowner, and they have actually reduced their price by 30% over the same time period. Jesse, what does that mean? Because that does not make sense with the market. It means something very simple for us.
Jesse: Well, it just means that they are not, they are trying to get what they want instead of what the market will bring.
Jesse: Because even, I am going to go somewhere you are not even expecting. But even in those price ranges –
Jeremy: Oh, I do not know. You are pretty unexpected.
Jesse: — even over a million dollars, the homes that are selling are selling within, at the highest, 154 days, oh no, 207 days –
Jesse: — is the highest days on market. So they are still selling when they sell.
Jeremy: It is just taking longer.
Jesse: It takes a little bit longer. Not significantly. Not 1500.
Jeremy: Yeah, so 1500 days, as we get into this and we are going to share this message. What we believe is the single most important message about any real estate market for buyers and sellers and would-be buyers and sellers. But I think this is a great segue for us. You have someone, as Jesse said, has been trying to ask significantly more than the market will bear.
Jeremy: So here is what is going on in the real estate market today before we set this up. Well, let’s just share it. You guys ready? Three, two, one. Real estate markets in every city in the United States of America and probably on the planet are cyclical, and this is the single most important message that you can possibly understand about real estate. It is not is it a good time to buy. It is not is it a good time to sell. Should I rent or buy? Right? Should I purchase an investment property? The single most important message is that real estate markets are cyclical, which means what?
Jesse: That what goes up must come down.
Jesse: And what goes down must come up or will come up.
Jesse: It is an equilibrium, and in any equilibrium, it has to go up and down to equalize.
Jeremy: I have a very close friend who two days ago, 48 hours ago, we are not even at 48 right now. I think we are at 35 hours ago. He was like I guess things are just not going to work out in my life, and two hours later, everything changed. In a very positive way, and the way I described it is the clouds parted and the sun broke through. Go figure, and I said this morning, do you realize that was two days ago? Two days ago, you were everything is going to pieces.
Jesse: That is why we need to keep reminding ourselves that this will pass. This too shall pass.
Jeremy: Which makes it sounds like we are talking about a bad real estate market. We are not at all. This is an amazing real estate market, but we are going to help you understand what is going on in the real estate market. So if we go back ten years, it was 2008. Literally, people thought, people meaning just generally everyone, it seemed like the clouds could never part, and that the real estate market would forever be in freefall and gang, understand that almost all of the major developers in the western United States lost everything.
Jeremy: This was not like –
Jesse: I was just talking to a roofer last night. Actually, Stout Roofing is going to do my roof, and we were talking about the crash. What they went through and what they have pulled through, it is just amazing. We are talking about $600,000 of accounts receivable that they could not collect on.
Jeremy: Are you serious?
Jesse: And they pulled through that. It gave me goosebumps for a guy to stand in front of me that came through that and now they are getting ready to do my roof and they are going strong.
Jeremy: Isn’t that amazing?
Jesse: Yeah, it was really cool because how many did not come back.
Jeremy: Right. The amazing part is we have projects in Washington County that were 30 to 40 to $50 million value projects that just went belly up. They went upside down. Anyone who can remember ten years ago, if you went up to the Ledges, so the Ledges actually came, well it was a little later. The Ledges came out of the ground. It was 2007, Parade of Homes 2007 is when the Ledges came online. This is fun. The average person does not know this because why would you know this? You do not do this for a living. But it is 2007, and they have opened at the Parade of Homes, and they had this big, incredible Spanish-style property that many folks do know of. It was the first big home in the Ledges. It has a lazy river and an island green in the backyard where you can chip balls onto the green. It overlooks Snow Canyon, and that thing came on the market. It was $5 million, by the way. They had all these tents set up, and the sky was the limit, and they sold all the lots up there to a variety of builders. They came in and these guys thought they could do no wrong, and gals, to be fair. By 2010, you would drive down past the clubhouse, and there was a row of unfinished homes right there. Probably a dozen homes, framed, some of them had, what do you want to call it? Paper, what do we call it the paper? My brain is fried for a minute. On the outside, getting ready to stucco and they sat for years.
Jesse: The vapor barriers.
Jeremy: The vapor barrier. Years, and years and years. My uncle came into town from Southern California. He is a developer and he said oh my gosh. This is bad. That was, guys, that was eight years ago. That part. So now go to the Ledges. Now look around St. George. I am looking behind me at the Bluff Street redevelopment project. So what we need to understand is that every real estate market is cyclical. And so, Jesse, what are we starting to see in the market. We are having a lot of real estate agents reach out to us and say what is happening with their listing that they are trying to sell for a client.
Jesse: Well, what is happening is there are a couple of things. We are seeing a lot of pressure like sellers are having to reduce their prices finally.
Jeremy: There you go.
Jesse: Buyers are stopping. They are like no, we are not going to do this anymore.
Jesse: You are having to have a strategy to actually sell a home. What are we going to do? How are we going to be the best value?
Jeremy: So very specifically, sellers are having to reduce their price.
Jesse: They are.
Jeremy: Does that mean the home values are going down?
Jesse: Not necessarily.
Jeremy: Not necessarily.
Jesse: They do not go down like that. It is kind of like a train does not stop in 100 feet. It takes a minute.
Jeremy: It takes a while.
Jesse: But there is starting to be some pressure.
Jeremy: There is.
Jesse: And it is visible pressure like homes that 30 days ago or 60 days ago would have sold in two days are taking maybe three or four weeks.
Jeremy: This is absolutely right. We are seeing a ton of pressure in the $4-500,000 range, and what starts to happen is because real estate markets are cyclical, and the reason this is the most important message is that people will start to panic and the market is so driven by the emotional conditions that people live in that what will happen is you will have a whole bunch of buyers who are frustrated and they are fed up, sick and tired of writing offers on homes and competing with five people. So they start saying well, maybe I will not write anymore offers. They are fed up with paying 10% more than the last person paid in the neighborhood. So they say well, maybe we will not pay 10% more than the last person. They are frustrated because interest rates are amazing at five-and-a-quarter percent, but they remember when they were four-and-a-quarter percent. So they say maybe I just will not borrow money, and I will not buy a home. And what starts to happen is very subtly, slowly, then suddenly, the entire market can change. And it is changing.
Jesse: What is interesting is that, Guild Mortgage put out an interest rates over the last, I do not know, 40 years, yesterday, it is a picture. But for the last, gosh, 15 years, interest rates have just kept going down. And we lose track of our memory. Right? We do not think well, this is cyclical. And we do not stop long enough and –
Jeremy: Excuse me, what were you saying?
Jesse: It is cyclical.
Jeremy: You said we lose track of our memory. I was going to see if you were paying attention. Okay.
Jesse: But we do not realize that what goes down is going to come back up. And what is that going to do to us if we do not act now or if we do act now.
Jeremy: We do forget, and here is what we start to do. We make decisions on buying and selling a home that are based on well, rates went up, maybe I should not buy. Here is the issue gang. Historically, rates were significantly higher than this. I remember when I was at 7% on a townhome, and I thought it was the greatest thing ever.
Jeremy: When it went to 5.8, 6%, I really thought that my wildest dreams had come true. And then they went to 3%. Well now they are back to five-and-a-quarter percent, and they will go higher. So there will be people who will look back at this market and go oh my gosh –
Jesse: I wish I would have.
Jeremy: — I cannot believe I did not buy a home. Okay? We are going to have sellers –
Jesse: Or make that move.
Jeremy: Correct. Right? We are going to have sellers who are going to find out that people are reducing prices in their neighborhood, which is going to imply to them and cause this idea that maybe values are going down. Maybe this is not a good time to sell.
Jeremy: Historically, ladies and gentlemen, do you realize that values are literally back where they were at the ’06 peak. We are actually back there. We are right back where we were. Let me share something with you. Southern Utah Title produces a really great report that we were looking at this morning, Jess, right?
Jeremy: And by the way, you can visit SUTC, S as in Sam not F as in Frank. S as in Sam. SUTC dot com, Southern Utah Title Company. Thank you, Mitch, for your help this morning. Southern Utah Title Company, they produce this incredible report called the Good News Report. Let me share something with folks. In 2009, there were 474 building permits pulled.
Jeremy: In 2009, 474 building permits. Do we know how many building permits were pulled so far this year, Jesse?
Jeremy: Projected at how many more?
Jeremy: So we are projected to have 2400 building permits pulled. That is five times as many building permits as were pulled in 2009. Okay? And it looked like this. 2005, four years prior, now brace yourselves, folks, and we have talked about this in the show, but I would not expect someone to remember this. 3500.
Jeremy: We went from 3,500 building permits pulled in 2005. The low was 474. Nine times, a nine-time crash. Nine times fewer.
Jeremy: Right? We went from 3,500 building permits in Washington County to 474. Last year, we pulled 1800, and this year we are at 1800 and the year is not out.
Jesse: And end at 2400.
Jeremy: Let me be really clear. This is September. But we are headed to 2400 permits. Is real estate cyclical? Real estate is cyclical. Is the market crashing because people need to reduce the price? No what it means is, and what we have talked about on the show is pretty much everyone is asking probably 5-10% more than what the market is really going to bare.
Jeremy: (Indiscernible) the sellers.
Jesse: The pricing conversation is a lot different when you are in a really strong sellers’ market than when you are in a buyers’ market or just a balanced market.
Jesse: And really, we are just going back towards a balanced market.
Jeremy: Yeah, correct. This is so true. We are headed back to a healthy, balanced market.
Jesse: Because there is a day when three months was normal to sell a house.
Jesse: Sixty, ninety days. That is normal. This sell your house in a week is not normal or sustainable.
Jeremy: It is not. Right? We have used this so many times, but it is like when In-and-Out Burger opened over there by Best Buy, it has been a long time now. There was a line around the building for four days.
Jesse: That is crazy.
Jeremy: Well, it is an unsustainable pace. No restaurant has a line around the building for 365 days a year and it lasted about four days and it was done. And there is a nice line out there now on a busy lunch, but they push them through.
Jeremy: Here is another thought. Okay? That was building permits. How about total sales? In 2009, 3,900 properties sold in Washington County. 3,900 properties. We are projected this year to have almost 10,000 properties sell in Washington County. Now this is all sales, and so when we say all sales, and again you can visit S as in Sam, UTC dot com and look at the Good News Report. All sales means building lots, homes, condos, townhomes, that kind of thing. Right? So folks, look, the market is absolutely incredible. The market is cyclical. Let me share one last thought with you. We virtually have no foreclosures in Washington County right now.
Jeremy: We are talking about, folks, let me give you some perspective. We are talking about almost zero, virtually none in Washington County.
Jesse: Out of how many active listings? 1400?
Jeremy: 1500 homes on the market. Well, how many homes are in the county? 10,000?
Jeremy: More. I do not know how many. That is a number we need to get.
Jesse: How many homes are actually built?
Jeremy: Yeah, yeah, properties.
Jesse: I will work on that.
Jeremy: Thank you. There are virtually no foreclosures. Real estate is cyclical. A decade ago, we know for a fact, I know because I was selling homes that I was handling at one point, the Larkin Group, we were handling over 70 foreclosed or soon-to-be foreclosed properties.
Jeremy: Just us. Guys, the most important message that you can ever receive about real estate is that it is cyclical. Markets go up and they go down. This will be a time that people regret not selling because values are high, and they will have been high, and it is a time that people, this is ironic because it does not always work this way, will have regretted not buying because rates will go up another point.
Jesse: I think that is a big piece.
Jeremy: And they will be ticked. It is a strange and actually amazing time in real estate. Headed back to a balanced market.
Mike: You are listening to the St. George Real Estate Morning Drive with the voice of St. George Real Estate Jeremy Larkin. For more detail and information, call 275-1690 or find them online at Sold in St. George dot com.